08 January 2009

To Israel: A Message From Lebanon

An unidentified group attempted to open a second front in the current Palestinian war by firing rockets into northern Israel from across the border with Lebanon. While the gesture is no less impotent than Hamas's own stunts that provoked the present fighting, and is perhaps more so due to the perpetrators' anonymity, I have to say that their hearts are in the right place. While everyone else simply threatens to hold their breath and turn blue until Israel stops beating up Gaza, or looks for unarmed Jews to beat up elsewhere in the world, these guys at least made a show of fighting. My rule still applies: these mystery men ("Not us!" says Hezbollah) shouldn't start crying if Israel diverts a few bombers to the north to deal with them. But my point about not whining or not acting surprised has never meant that I think that Palestinians or other Arabs have no right to make war on Israel. All I've been saying is that, if you're going to make war, don't pretend you're not. Be prepared to accept the consequences.

To be honest, my judgments have been aesthetic rather than strategic. I'm fairly certain that the Palestinians have anticipated the consequences, and that whining about them has been their actual strategy. While I still see a "counting coup" quality in the rocket attacks, they're probably also meant to work as a form of "propaganda of the deed." If so, the whole idea is to provoke an outrageous reprisal so that they can whine about it and somehow this time convince the people who count that Israel is a beastly entity. In that case, Israel has responded according to the program, as usual, but the strategy is just as unlikely to work as ever. It'll take a lot more than the present atrocities to turn U.S. public opinion against Israel. This has less to do with the invincible power of an Israeli Lobby, though there certainly is a powerful one, than with the fact that many Americans are bigoted against Arabs. I suspect that they feel an affinity with Zionism as a "pioneer" movement similar to the U.S. itself, with the Palestinians relegated to the role of backward, "savage" aboriginals and the Israelis playing the purveyors of civilization and "democracy." It doesn't help that most Palestinians espouse a religion that many Americans despise for its own degree of backwardness and savagery. It may all be unfair, but that's what you're up against if you're out to change public opinion. The big challenge is not to prove the perfidy of the Israelis, but to humanize the Palestinians in American eyes so that Israel's treatment of them might finally seem perfidious to more people. It won't do to cry "imperialism," "colonialism," or "racism," since these are buzzwords that Americans are trained to ignore as signs of Commie propaganda. If I make the task look extremely difficult, that's because lots of well-meaning people have been trying to turn the tide for years. The books, the magazine articles, the documentaries, are all out there. They have not been suppressed. But there is an American resistance to the Palestinian cause that defies simplistic analysis and quack remedies.

This has been a rather tedious attempt to suggest that Palestinians and Arabs in general should perhaps worry less about winning Pyrrhic battles for public opinion and concentrate on finding a way to win real battles. That's not going to be easy, either, and I can understand if they think it impossible without winning the public opinion battle. But they've got to do something more substantial or else face the fate of "weaker" peoples throughout history, in a diaspora or worse.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

For once (how infrequent!) Wilson is finally making sense. Americans do completely misunderstand the Palestinian cause. They misunderstand it because they approach the issue in terms of false premises which the Zionists cleverly exploit by playing on the prejudices of the particular group. To Christians they appeal to the nonsense that the state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. To liberals who believe the sob story of "gas chambers" and a fake "six million" they play the Holocaust card. To anti-communist conservatives who do not know of the Siamese twin relationship between communism and zionism, they play the brave "ally" against the Soviet Union card. They play the "Cowboys and Indians" card to Americans who think with their balls rather than their brains. Very clever.

The claim that the facts are "out there" is true only in a very limited sense. Most people get their news from the TV set and the newspapers-and those are solidly controlled by the Zionists. The information is available in scholarly reference works and on the internet but not many people read those. The subject is further complicated by the fact that understanding the true background to Zionism (and its twin brother, Soviet Communism) requires an enormous amount of historical knowledge, including the history of the Jews in Czarist Russia, the history of both the Ottoman and modern Middle East, the diplomatic history of the British Empire during WW1 and forgotten British Royal investigations of the 1920's through 1940's, among other subjects.

Samuel Wilson has shown throughout these debates that he lacks this knowledge which Anonymous1 possess in abundance. Thus, he can actually delude himself into believing that Israel's invasion of Gaza has something to do with Fourth of July firecrackers. This is why Anonymous1 toys with Wilson and company like a cat torturing a doomed mouse. However, at least on this occasion Samuel Wilson has emerged from the fog which normally constitutes his mental processes. Let us give a little credit where credit is due.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

One big reason that the Palestinians have given up on trying to influence public opinion is because they already know that it is a waste of time. From the first moment the Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917 the Palestinians expended an immense amount of effort trying to influence public opinion in England against the Mandate and the Jewish "national home". They know from bitter experience that it does not work. The Arab Executive sent several commisions to London in the early 1920's to try to persuade the British to back off its promises to the Jews. These commissions included many lawyers and professional people. Their appeals are beautifully written (in English) and drafted. If logical appeals could save the day, they would have won long ago. The documents are still available in reference works-and I have them. To read these documents is to know immediately that the Arabs of Syria-Palestine had many very highly educated people among them. They were not the illiterate savages that most Americans, deluded by "Islamo-Fascism" nonsense, believe.

The best chance the Palestinians had to get the British to back off the Declarastion was early in the game, as they well knew. The Arabs had major supporters in the House of Lords, Lord Islington, in particular. A resolution was passed in the House of Lords in 1921 stating that the Balfour Declaration was inconsistent with the war time pledges to the Arabs under the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence and demanding that the Balfour Declaration be repudiated as inconsistent with those promises. His Majesty's Government paid no attention.

After this defeat, all Arab chances of prevailing faded into oblivion. The succeeding years of Zionism saw one investigating commission after another arrive in Palestine, all gathering voluminous testimony from many wise and learned Arabs. Again, the testimonies and the position papers are all available in the archives and the reference books for those who seek them. I've read them. None of it did any good; none of it altered the inevitable dispossession of 1948.

The situation is now much worse than it was in the days of the British Empire. The futility of reasoned presentations was apparent even in the days when there was a little reason left in the world; now there is none. It is perfectly understandable, then, why many Arabs have given up on reasoned presenations. Even those who persist never bother with facts of long ago which are incomprehensible to the dumbed down American mind.

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The Crime Think Collective said...

Yes, the minute someone says something against jews, they're making sense. Further proof of what an overbearing idiot you bigots are. "Fake six million?" You are so far gone from reality, you wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you upside your bald head. So keep on standing in front of that full length mirror in your SS uniform, pretending to be a great man, when in fact you are, and shall remain, a pitiful little mouse, squeeking your hatred for cats and dogs and hawks and everything else you fear...which seems to be just about everything.

Samuel Wilson said...

I feel obliged to say again that the censored reply was spam. With that said, I must say that for Anonymous 1 to say that I'm "finally" making sense suggests that he still doesn't really understand what I've been saying on the Gaza issue. He doesn't really seem to have absorbed the message of the current posting,which is that Americans are quite capable of acquiring and expressing all the anti-Arab attitudes he cites without prompting or card playing from Zionists. They think of Palestinians the way that Anon seems to think about Native Americans. He ought to ponder that analogy.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

In politics, all arguments depend on who is making them. As to the analogy between the Palestinians and the American Indians, I do not buy it-although I most definitely do see where Mr. Wilson is coming from. The Arabs of Palestine were largely a sedentary people farming the land before the coming of the Zionists. They also had a considerable number of traders, lawyers, accountants and other educated people. They certainly were miles ahead of the American Indians who never had any of these things.

The charge that it is not Zionists alone who determine American attitudes on the subject has to be measured against a single fact-the complete change in American attitudes since the Second World War. Americans before then, particularly those in the State Department, were very leery of Zionism in Palestine. There were also a considerable number of American "Arabists", both in and out of the government, who wrote and publicized on behalf of the Arabs and their way of life. The same was true of Great Britain in the inter-war years. You can get Robert Kaplan's book, "The Arabists: The Romance of an American Elite" for details.
Now for that foul mouthed stupid shit Crime Think Collective.

If you will review the history of name calling on this blog, Mr. Wilson, you will discover that it all began with Mr. Turd Shit and his insults against me. If you want a cease fire, tell toilet mouth to keep it civil. And, while I have no SS uniforms and no desire to acquire any, I have read Arthur Butz's book "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century". Tell Crime Think to do the same-and then he can direct his invective against Butz.

Samuel Wilson said...

Does Anonymous 1 grade cultures according to some hierarchy of attainments which determines whether any given culture's land is eligible for seizure by colonists? Did Arabs "earn" rights that the Native Americans hadn't? How are the cultures graded, exactly? Would Anon embrace the Saul Bellow standard and ask, for instance, where one could find "the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" Too many people have a superficial, self-referential sense of civilization, so that 18th century Europeans, not finding native peoples elsewhere wearing powdered wigs and knee breeches, deemed them savages. They were too close to their own bloodbaths of the 17th century to insist on any other standard.

On the question of American public opinion, I doubt whether most people gave two shits for Jews or Arabs before around 1960. I'm sure Anon has a lot to say about "Exodus" and the career of Leon Uris, and I'm actually curious to read it. Before then, the U.S. could put its foot down when Israel overstepped its bounds, even in concert with Britain and France. Later, such action was less likely, but that also has to do with Nasser's lean toward the USSR and his Arab unity agenda, which the US could find irksome without necessarily considering Israel's interests.

Finally, I have no problem with name-calling and haven't sought any truce. Anon will recall that I declared myself indifferent to the vulgarities aimed at me, since they only rendered him ridiculous. I've been indulgent in presenting his views on my blog and I feel obliged to be equally indulgent of people's replies. If anyone can't stand the heat...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

I can stand the heat without a fan, thank you.

As to the standards that define any civilization, those are well known. Technological advancement, the creation of wealth and a rising standard of living, trade, expansion of influence across the world, etc. By those standards and others, American Indians and African banana brains have never qualified. The Arabs once did, and whatever one can say against Palestinians they are still miles ahead of the other groups.

Mr. Wilson's view that most Americans had no opinion one way or another on things Middle Easter prior to 1960 may be true of the mass of Americans, but certainly not true of the pro-Arab elite within the US government. That elite was entirely opposed to the state of Israel and its recognition. Harry Truman, president of the time, freely admitted that he gave in to Zionist pressure, which he described as the "most extreme he had ever experienced". He cravenly surrendered to Jew money and Jew votes-as he admitted. If the US was gradually turning pro-Zionist post-1960, it was because of growing Jewish power in the US-not because of Nasser's accepting aid from the USSR-itself a reaction to the state of Israel.

Mr. Uris was nothing more than a hack novelist useful for propaganda purposes. His novel, translated to the screen, was nothing more than the usual stirring story of the poor "Holocaust" survivors returning to their Promised Land and overcoming those obstructionist, anti-semitic British and those savage hound dog Bedouin. True, Otto Preminger, the director, did make Paul Newman into a rather ruthless fellow going overboard by imitating the just defeated Nazis in his own behaviour, but he is, naturally moderated by more sensible, forgiving Jews. Touching, touching.

Since Mr. Wilson doubts that there has been a blackout on Zionism in this country for many years, he should research the publication history of Dr. John's magnum opus, "The Palestine Diary". Although the documentation was unimpeachable and despite the fact that it had the endorsement of Arnold J. Toynbee, not a single academic publishing house would touch it-for fear of Zionist retaliation. When the history was finally published in the US by New World Press in New York in 1970, the publishers had their printing presses burned, the majority of the books destroyed-and the editors themselves were beaten and severely injured by Jews using rubber hoses over steel. The culprits were never apprehended. Dr. John himself was driven from job to job until he had to retrain as a psychiatrist. In those days there was no such thing as a "Jewish lobby". Anyone who said there was laughed at-or destroyed financially. Dr. John's history was one of the first breaches in the Iron Curtain of silence which then prevailed. The Zionists obviously did not appreciate his efforts.

Things have improved a little-but only a little. Witness the extreme pressure exerted on President Jimmy Carter and Professors Walt and Mearsheimer for their efforts. Mr. Wilson is still a babe in diapers on the subject-but I shall do my level best to help him out of his cradle.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Mr. Wilson adamantly refuses to understand the situation in Gaza. Let's analogize the situation to a bully in a school yard. The bully pushes, taunts and provokes his victim constantly. He humiliates him on a daily basis, hoping to provoke a reaction. Once he gets the desired reaction, the bully then uses the angry shove of his victim to beat him to a bloody pulp. The bully yells: "Self defense!' Mr. Wilson, a street wise sort, shakes his head cynically.

Now, take this same Mr. Wilson, who cannot recognize a Zionist bully in the Middle east. This bully imprisons an entire population in Gaza, starves them, beats them, invades their homes, disrupts traffic and commerce with impassable checkpoints and does everything possible to degrade, humilate and oppress them. Then, when the outraged poulation fires a few firecrackers into the oppressors adjoining cities and kills a miserable three people, the bully screams": "Self defense!" and rushes to the slaughter using the most modern of weapons, including phosphorus and incendiary bombs. The bully kills hundreds, then thousands. He retaliates at a one hundred to one rate-and more. Mr. Wilson shouts "Bravo!" They had it coming.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

I attatch a link to an excellent article on the bolshevik revolution. It just goes to show that the butchers in Gaza now and the butchers in the former Soviet Union are one and the same. Almost all present day Zionists had parents who grew up with this kind of background. They are just as willing to use force against Palestinians as they were to use deadly force against the bourgeoise. The Jewish commissars still live.

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/958394757.html

The Crime Think Collective said...

So, because you read a book of lies and believed it, I should do the same? The bottom line is racism and bigotry are base on assumptions and emotions - not on any REAL or SCIENTIFIC facts. You may choose to believe in whatever nonsense you wish to believe in, but to try to represent your beliefs as fact or reality is WRONG. There is far more documented evidence, as well as eye-witness accounts that attest to the REALITY of the holocaust. Hate all you want, it will NOT CHANGE HISTORY. It just marks you as a hateful and ignorant person. Nothing more. And for anyone to believe that nonsense and then to try to pass themselves off as "intelligent" or "erudite" is only proof that you don't understand the meanings of those words. You are nothing. Your opinion is nothing. Your beliefs are NOTHING. You are damn lucky that the government hasn't legislated your bullshit into "hate speech" and thrown you ass in prison, where we can all deny any such occurrence. So again, I invite you to go stick your head into an oven, turn the gas on full blast, blow the pilot out and DROP DEAD you hateful, ignorant, sorry excuse for an American asshole.

Samuel Wilson said...

Anon: I imagine you'd think it unworthy of reprisal if someone representing a nation that has been oppressed by this country set off a small suicide belt and took out "a miserable three" Americans in some random town. No? Maybe I don't even have to go further and ask what you'd think if you knew one of the "miserable" three, or whether you'd be willing to die unavenged to expiate our nation's guilt toward the bomber's country. Perhaps you would want to ask what his race was. Your Jan 10 utterance seems to sum up your views on the value of human life. In that respect you seem to be no better than the Zionists you constantly denounce. I don't dispute that the Israelis are bullies, but your collective-guilt mentality makes you the moral equivalent of both the bin Laden types who declare any citizen of an enemy democracy a target for terrorism and the Israelis who are applying the same principle in their punitive attacks on Gaza.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Mr. Wilson:

You and your sidekicks are political babes in diapers. I shall leave it at that.

The Crime Think Collective said...

Good, I hope that means we will no longer have to read your lies, misinformation and outright bs.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Read tghis, you crypto-kike.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/the-palestinians-following-in-the-footsteps-of-the-american-revolution/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

If either of you two idiots have read this excellent essay, you will know that the Palestinians are merely imitating our own American ancestors who rebelled against England

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says"

The Palestinians are facing "the times which try men's souls". They have pledged "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" to overthrow the foreign occupation of their land. Would that Americans would do the same-for they are enslaved by the same Zionist enemy.

Samuel Wilson said...

Anon, you have no standing on this issue because you have no consistent principles. For all I know, if the Zionists had occupied some part of Africa or had reached the Old West before Americans did, you'd have no objections at all to their exploits. But because you arbitrarily assign the Arabs to the ranks of the "good" nations, and then perhaps only because you hate the Jews, you demand a sympathy for them that you refuse to extend to other conquered peoples in history. You're not wrong to equate the Palestinians with the revolutionary Americans, but the right of resistance to foreign rule is either a universal principle that would have obliged you to root for the Mau Mau or the Haitians who trouble you so much, or else, as expressed by you, it is nothing but a self-gratifying whimsy.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Mr. Wilson:

You are a jerk. As I have said before, in politics it all depends on whose side you are on. There are no universal principles. However, since you are such a pious little bugger on evil Hamas rockets, I will bring up a point you overlook (you overlook so many). In 1967 the Israelis attacked the US intellingence ship "Liberty". They killed over 38 sailors and wounded 178 others. Although the Israelis claimed (and still claim) that the attack was a "mistake" evidence shows that:

(1)the attack was deliberate, not a case of mistaken identity:

(2)the US government knew at the time that the Israelis were lying and assisted in the cover up.

The purpose of the attack was to sink the ship and blame the attack on the Egyptians, thereby bringing the US into an all out war on Israel's behalf in the Middle East. Presumably, had the Israelis merely fired Palestinian/Hamas fire crackers at the ship killing three sailors, that would have been a legitimate causus belli.

Do not preach to me about shifting double standards, you jerk off stupid Son-of-a Bitch.

The Crime Think Collective said...

Really? You're "universal principle" is that the jews are bad. The jews are evil incarnate and ought to be wiped off the face of the planet. You are a hypocrite. I will not see Hamas as the equivalent of our founding fathers. To even suggest such a thing is beyond outrageous. Our founding fathers did NOT launch rockets at civilian populations of Brits. Nor did they condone such actions. In actuality, if anything, I'd say Israel is the equivalent of our founding fathers and Hamas nothing more than redskins that have to be put down for the good of the settlers.
But the reality of the situation is that BOTH sides are barbarians and no civilized person should support either side. The entire middle east should be walled off and let all of them fight to the finish until only 1 tribe remains.

Samuel Wilson said...

Anon: I revise my assessment. You're actually no better than a Bolshevik. Was it not Lenin who said that the only real considerations on any political question were "who?" and "whom?" i.e., which side you're on? Also, I accept your correction. You don't have double standards. Indeed, you have none at all.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Wilson:

You pious dumb fuck.

You persistently ignore the reason Hamas fires rockets (firecrackers, actually)at Israel. The Israelis have put 1.5 million Arabs in an open air prison and brutalized them by subjecting them to the most inhumane possible treatment. Then, when Hamas fires essentially useless rockets at the Jews, the Jews scream "Foul!"

You must be a kike, Mr. Wilson. Only a tribe member could come up with the infantile rationalizations you employ for inexcusable behaviour. Israel is an outpost of western civilization the true equivalent of the founding fathers? Oh, that is good, you miserable Jew sucker. If I read the Federalist Papers I read of restricting the power of the government by binding it with the Constitution. If I read David Ben Gurion, I read of a man who wanted to do in Palestine what Lenin was doing in Russia. Try reading Vladimir Jabotinsky, Mr. Wilson. Read the graphic descriptions of Zionism as a "colonizing adventure built on force!." Read how "learning to shoot straight is more important than learning to speak Hebrew". Read Theodore Herzl in "Der Judeenstaat" expunding on how Jews must segregate themselves from "Europeans with whom they shall never be able to assimilate". Read of the inherent incompatibility of Jew with non-Jew-and then tell me, with a straight face, you miserable lying cocksucker that this is the philosophy of the Founding Fathers.

Tell me how the Khazars of Russia devised Zionism to be compatible with the ideas of Jefferson, Franklin and Madison. Tell me with a straight face that the passenger ships Patria, Exodus and others were the equivalent of the Mayflower landing at Plymouth Rock. Tell it with a straight face, Mr. Omniscience with Yiddish sperm overflowing your lying lips. The Jews fled King Adolf in Germany the same way the American settlers fled King George. They created "freedom to worship Marx" in a land where there had only been Ottoman intolerance for centuries. Palestinian Muslims and Christians lived equally under the Turks. But then came the Chosen People with their hammers and sickles to teach them the joys of exile-all in accordance with the principles of the Quakers in Pennsylvania.

The founding fathers of Zionism were "true Americans". They developed their "good Arabs are dead Arabs" mentality by watching John Wayne as Ethan Edwards in "The Searcher". Unfortunately, that came out in 1956, eight years after the real Deir Yassein. Oh yes, Mr. Wilson. The Jews made the "desert bloom" just like American whites made something out of that vast continent where the Indians only hunted buffalo. Menachem Begin, in his Davy Crockett hat, exterminated Arab Injuns right and left while blowing up hotels. Ariel Sharon, a Daniel Boone pioneer, developed vineyards just like Fess Parker in southern California. The wheat fields, orange groves, vineyards and cotton fields had been planted for centuries before the Zionists came, but let us not spoil your fairy tale.

Labour Socialism from the ghetto remade arid, desolate Arab Palestine in the image of the log cabin. So sayeth Samuel Wilson, as he applies for a job in the Propaganda Ministry of American Zionism.

Samuel Wilson said...

Anon: Your utterences are increasingly meaningless. You hate Jews and you hate Jews and you hate Jews. So what? Who cares what you hate or why you hate it? You cite the things that Jews have done, but you have already said that the only thing that counts is who does them, so why bother? On your own testimony, you have no other reason to hate Jews than that they're Jews, and the mood just struck you some fine day. Spare us another list because you've already established its irrelevance. For all I know, if someone of the right group did to you what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians, your response might well be, "Please master, I want some more!" And read more carefully before you respond, since it wasn't me who compared Israel to the Founding Fathers, though as colonial conquerers they could well qualify. Dementia is a terrible thing, old man.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

To Mr. Wilsom, Crime Think Collective and all their brethren:

You silly asses cannot figure out why the United States has an image problem in the Islamic world. You accuse me of irrational hatred toward Jews-when there is nothing irrational about it. You blab endlessly about this, that or the other detail of the situation without the slightest understanding of the hisory of the problem or its ramifications, you massively distort the facts based on your complete lack of understandiong-and then you accuse me of "dementia".

You gentlemen have a much more basic problem-it is called "head up the ass".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

A little history lesson by yours truly:

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/zionfrau.htm

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Here is a factual rebuttal to you "poor little Israel" was attacked by rockets
bullshit.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21726.htm

So whether we are discussing up-to-date events or forgotten history, Mr. Wilson, et. al., you do not know the first fucking thing about what you are talking about.

Samuel Wilson said...

Anon: Do you actually read what anyone writes to you or do you stop in a blind rage when the first words you read aren't, "Gee, you're absolutely right, Wilbur (or whatever else you call yourself for publishing purposes)"? The fact that I can criticize Israel without succumbing to your psychosis or without extending unconditional love to Hamas really seems to throw you. This all began when I said it was silly for Hamas to whine as if they weren't doing anything when they were by their own mandate supposed to be waging some sort of war. It wasn't about whether they had a right or not to launch rockets, or whether Israel had a right or not to respond. I despise the Hamas organization as a bunch of superstitous idiots, but Palestinians in general have the prerogative to resist the conquest of their land. But resistance has its price, and all I'm saying is that they ought to suck it up, take it like men (no offense to the women) and keep on fighting. But in the end I don't have a dog in that fight. Islam conquered that land by the sword just like all their predecessors did. Muslims have no more eternal right to it than anyone else who can claim a divine promise. To the victor belongs the spoils, and the best the world can do, I fear, is stand back and not exacerbate the final conflict that must come. You, I presume, would rather have the world wage war on the Jews, without taking up arms yourself, on the premise that the Jews are evil -- though your insistence that acts themselves count for less than who does them makes it impossible to prove that Jews are evil except as a matter of personal superstition or aesthetic preference. In the end, all your citations and facts are superfluous, because you hate Jews for what they are rather than for what they do. Your own arguments say so. Other people can do the same things without bothering you because they're not Jews. You really have no business passing judgment on international affairs because you have no judgment and have confessed yourself incapable of judgment. All you really know how to do is hate, and all the rest is just rationalization. If your hatred had anything to do with reality, your words might wound me. Instead, I can only shrug my shoulders and move on.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html

Leaving the history aside (which I know but Mr. Wilson doesn't)the accusation here is that I think with my biases. Don't we all, Mr. Wilson? It really isn't much of a charge. I note that this charge of uncomprehending hate is ritualistically leveled against any critic of things Jewish. The Jews have employed it eternally; they have also brainwashed large numbers of non-Jews into thinking that the issue is mindless "hate".

In fact, the issue is not hate but the very real correlation between Jewish behaviour and the reactions it provokes. Mr. Wilson, like so many people, makes the mistake of thinking that Jews are just like everyone else. That is the fundamental error in believing that anti-semitism is some sort of disease. In fact, Jews are fundamentally different than other peoples. Their entire mindset is that they are destined to rule the earth and lord it over non-Jews in animal form, known as goyim. Mr. Wilson has derided these charges as unjustified propaganda throughout these debates-but then Mr. Wilson has never studied the unedited Talmudic scriptures either.

The terror the Jews are inflicting on the Arabs of Palestine is the same terror they intend to inflict on the rest of humanity. To a very large extent-they already have. This is exactly what they do when they pass laws criminalizing "Holocaust Denial' or destroy the careers of those who speak out against Jews. Mr. Wilson imagines that, in Palestine, we are simply witnessing the "age old strife". He is curiously incapable of realizing that it signifies much more than that.

Thus, the issue is not, as the uncomprehending Mr. Wilson imagines, that I do not read what he writes or take it out of context. The problem is that I understand that his entire frame of reference is wrong. Mr. Wilson cannot get the point; just as he could not get the point when we were discussing Patrick Buchanan's book on the Second World War.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Read this column from Taki Theodopolous entitled:

"Israel: A Bernie Madoff of a Country"

http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/israel_the_bernie_madoff_of_countries/

I cannot say it any better.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14046


More puncturing of the "poor little Israel besieged by rockets" bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

I have now posted essays by Justin Raimondo, Charlie Reese and others giving the lie to Israeli pretensions over Gaza. Let us see what Mr. Wilson and his sidekicks have to say about the documented facts.

http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=7022

Samuel Wilson said...

Here's what Anonymous doesn't understand. Let's take a representative quote:

Anonymous 1: "In fact, Jews are fundamentally different than other peoples. Their entire mindset is that they are destined to rule the earth[.]"

He thinks I disagree with the second sentence when in fact I disagree with the first. Jewish chauvanism is not so anomalous in human history as he suggests. Indeed, there are probably groups or races of people who could conquer and rule the earth, enslaving their equivalents of "goyim," without objection from Anonymous. Indisputably, there have been peoples who have gone much further than the Jews ever had toward that goal without provoking the same fear and rage from Anon. That leaves him again with nothing more than a pathological aversion to explain his particular attitude.

The Crime Think Collective said...

The Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians is as much a lie as the holocaust. You racist, bigoted hypocritical swiller of donkey semen.

The Crime Think Collective said...

Now why don't you get your skank, hateful ass, along with your lies and dubious information off this blog and go write on some neo-nazi fascist blog full of people who actually believe the swill you write. Before I taunt you a second time.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

I shall respond to Mr. Wilson since Crime Think cannot get past his septic tank brain. He is correct that other peoples have attempted to enslave humanity-although none so brutally or successfully as the Jewish bolsheviks of Soviet Russia. One could point to Genghiz Khan and the Mongols or the Ottoman Turks, for example. The difference between these groups and the Jews is that the latter attempt to enslave the world mentally, not just physically. They turn the truth upside down on every subject. (Witness, for example, their inversion of the truth on Gaza, a very minor example of what I mean.)

People all over the world have fallen for all kinds of Jewish lies to enslave the mind. The lie of racial equality, the lie of feminism, the lie that unborn babies are not human, the lie of internationalism and open borders, the lie of world government, etc. All these lies emanate from the same charlatans who created the hoax of the "gas chambers" and the myth of the "six million".

Why are these lies so deadly? They are deadly because, as California State Senator Jack Tenney noted in his 1958 masterpiece "The Beasts of the Apocalypse", people who are mentally enslaved shall not rebel but people who are physically enslaved will rebel. The opportunity to overthrow physical tyrrany always comes-and always has, throughout history. But a people who have had their brains turned inside out, who equate lies with truth and truth with lies, cannot escape the servitude to which they do not even know they are being subjected. Why should they rebel, when they live in the best of all possible worlds?

Let us return to Mr. Buchanan and his book on "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War" with which all these discussions began. The Second World War and its glorification since 1945 is the perfect illustration of what I mean by "mentally enslaving" people. To believe that WW2 was a glorious crusade to save the world from unfathomable Nazi evil is to illustrate both the total failure to understand the past but also the false foundations of present day intervenionist ideology. It is to cover up the fact that there was a very real danger to western civilization by the Jewish communist regime in Russia. It is to falsely paint the Jews as an unoffending people whose own behaviour had nothing to do with the reaction they provoked. It is to disegard the enormous blood shed that could have been avoided had the German war machine been allowed to march eastward in alliance with the British. It is to allow politicians to use false analogies between WW2 and present day dictators to justify equally unnecessary foreign adventures. It is to believe that we are always the "good guys" because of what we did back then. It has all these effects, and more, so long as people are "mentally enslaved" and believe the legend.

To believe that Jews are like other people and are no more to be blamed than other people is to be deceived on the true reality of Jewish international power and cohesion. It is to have a power factor which has operated behind the scenes for centuries written out of the history texts and the public mind as a causative factor in some very important events. It is to de facto accept a Jewish interpretation and a Jewish point of view as the norm (as in Mr. Wilson's inability to see or understand the situation in Gaza in its true terms).

Thus, the Jews are a very powerful factor (the determinig one, in my view) of the ongoing mental enslavement of humankind. I will give one particularly glaring example of this. Feminism, an entirely Jewish generated social movement of the 1960's, has completely screwed up both genders based on pure lies. Feminism has convinced women, who get everything in divorce court, who receive automatic custody of children, who get massive child support and alimony, who get first place on the life boats, who do not have to fight and die in wars, that they are victims of "discrimination" and should therefore have all the high paying jobs, too (without, of course, all the high paying expenses men have to bear).

The Jews, as Friedrich Nitzsche noted in "The AntiChrist", are a people of the lie. They turn everything upside down and pervert everything that is natural and normalinto its exact opposite. This is the real danger of the Jews-and one need only look at how they have made the innocent Arabs of Palestine into the bad guys as one more of their ghastly inversions of the truth. Whatever one can say about the Romans, the British, the French under Napoleon or any other group of breast beaters and plunderers, they were not trying to turn the whole planet into a living lie. And that is why I reject any equivalence between any of these groups and the "Self Chosen " people.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

See "The Chicken And Egg Of Communism"

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html.

Samuel Wilson said...

By Anonymous 1's standards, civilization itself would seem to be a lie, since he seems to acknowledge no other truths than survival of the fittest and might makes right. I was tempted to add "every man for himself" to the list, but I recall from previous exchanges that he regards individualism as a lie as well. It looks like we have a choice. We can "lie" to one another (and Plato has something to say on this subject), or we can kill one another. Anon has stated his preference.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Mr. Wilson:

Will you kindly try addressinmg the issues instead of blabbing that I have "barbaric" mind? Not one word you write has anything to do with what I actually wrote. I post a long, incisively reasoned essay on why Jewish attempts to enslave the world are distinguishable from other such attempts. Not one idiotic word in your postings even attempts a rebuttal.

Now, to once again take apart your nonsense on Gaza. Let us suppose that two black panthers, hiding their launching pad in an all-black high school, fire a couple of fireworks in the direction of Arnold Schwarzenneger. One white is slightly injured and one support beam is taken down. The California SWAT team reacts by blowing up the high school which harbored the terrorists, killing and maiming 100 plus of your favorite minority in the process. Samuel Wilson applauds the slaughter, arguing that the blacks only had it coming and that there was no excessive retaliation. What is the difference between niggers and sand niggers, o wise one?

The Crime Think Collective said...

You do not belong in this country were we take things like equality and women's rights for granted. Get the hell out, you worthless nazi turd. Don't make us hunt your useless ass down and drag you physically across the border and leave you for dead - which is what you ought to be. You and every other useless anti-semitic, white-power, unintellectual meat-bag of human refuse. There is nothing you can say that will ever make you appear other than a hateful, small-minded, ignorant, hypocritical bigot and a complete and utter coward to boot. You are an unamerican shitbag - even worse than the ARABS behind the twin towers terrorist attack of 09/11/01. At least they had the courage to do something - as hateful and, ultimately useless, as their gesture was. You lack any courage whatsoever. You lack any real intelligence whatsoever. You are nothing more than a fascist parrot, squawking the same crap that your hero Adolph was squawking and to less effect. You and every other white-power dirtbag in this country should be locked up in a maximum security prison and spend the rest of your useless lives as sex toys for the hardened criminals incarcerated there. Of course, closet cases like you would probably enjoy it too much, so we'd have to make sure that your masters were A.I.D.S. carriers as well, so your miserable lives would be filled with the pain you wish to inflict on others. I'll bet even puppies piss on you because not even animals are willing to accept you as one of their own.

Anonymous said...

To Crime Think Shit For Brain:

(1)Adolph is spelled Adolf;

(2)The Zionists blew up two twin towers, not the Arabs:

(3)Where wewre women at Valley Forge and Yorktown?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

In reviewing the posts on this thread, it is obvious to me that Mr. Wilson has not the slightest understanding of the geo-political objectives being pursued here-issues which have nothing to do with rocket attacks. Israel is attacking one surrounding Arab country after another to destabilize the region -and to try to set off a general war. First, it was Lebanon, then Gaza, next it will be Syria. "Self-defense" is merely the public relations ploy.

The Crime Think Collective said...

(1)Adolph is spelled Adolf;

I'll defer to your expertise on that one, Adolph.

(2)The Zionists blew up two twin towers, not the Arabs:

Ah yes, here we go again. Contrary to all the actual facts, in which evidence proves that 15 of the 19 terrorist were Saudis and NONE OF THEM WERE JEWS! You further prove how out of touch with reality you are, Adolph.


(3)Where wewre women at Valley Forge and Yorktown?

Where were you during Vietnam or the Gulf Wars? If fighting for one's country is the only way a person is to have rights, then you have no rights because you have not fought in any war - or even served in the military. So I guess that makes you almost an equal to the women who didn't fight in the revolutionary war.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Dear Crime Think Stupid Fuck:

Several of the Moslems who were supposedly on the planes which struck the two towers later turned up alive and well living in other countries. That should suggest something to your penis brain. Every intelligence official in Europe knows that the Zionists did it-and several have publicly said so. Why don't you enlighten them with your superior knowledge?

As to women and their so-called "right" to vote and hold public office. I will apply a little logical consistency test for you. Let's make women fight all the wars of the United States for the next two hundred years. Then we will see whether they think that combat exempt male suffragettes should have the vote. If that idea displeases you, you can always put men and children on the lifeboats while women go down with the Titanic. "Sex discrimination", my ass.

The Crime Think Collective said...

More of your paranoid/delusional fantasies. NONE of the terrorists on those planes survived, idiot. None of the people on those planes survived. In fact, the only people who would make such a claim are anti-semitic racists who refuse to accept reality. As far as women fighting wars - I guess since you're too much of a coward to fight, any woman would do a better job than you. So again, by your own logic, you deserve no rights. As far as I'm concerned, since everything you post is racist hate-speech, you don't even merit the right to free speech. And yet still you persist. So why don't you be a good woman and shut up and go make me a sammich.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous1 says:

Dear Crime Think Stupid Fuck:

Find something substantive to say, or forever hold your peace.